Flow Genome Project; Jamie Wheal and Steven Kotler on altered conscious state and stealing fire

Michael Gervais is a world-class psychologist who has worked with world class athletes, musicians, entrepreneurs, and more. In his podcast he interviews some of the best performers in their field to decode the many paths toward mastery and provide applied practices that we can all use to be and do more in our lives. Jamie and Steven together wrote the book Stealing Fire together and have independently written a lot of books on flow, the zone, mindfulness, peak performance, and all other altered conscious states. These guys are really cool as they have taken it upon them to uncover that mystery of these altered states athletes, concert goers, and others have enjoyed. In this conversation together with Michael they begin to talk about their background and how and why they got their lifelong interest in these desired feelings high performing people are looking for and/or already doing.

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